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Street Lighting in Metropolitan Areas

Discussion in 'Discussions' started by TheSpeedy_, Aug 27, 2015.

  1. TheSpeedy_

    TheSpeedy_ Dirt Conaisseur

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    Was taking some screen shots in Bree during the night, and noticed a lack of lighting for more heavily populated areas. Is it reasonable to believe that there would be some outdoor lighting, such as lamps? It is logical to assume that excluding remote locations, that there would be some lights to illuminate roads during the night.
     
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    DSESGH Dirt Conaisseur

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    Constant street lighting would be quite expensive. Not only would the fuel for the lamps be very costly, someone would also have to be paid to refuel all those lamps, as I don't believe the free peoples held slaves. The cities could have been rich enough to furnish those costs. However, I don't think there were any exceptionally rich cities in Middle-earth, or at least not rich enough to want to spend large sums of money on this type of luxury. I could be wrong on this, though.

    I think it would have more likely been that people just carried lanterns when they were outside at night;)
     
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    I get that. Was curious, but from an aesthetic/artist perspective it would look better, but wasn't necessarily positive it would be lore accurate. I am aware that some cultures used oil to light lamps, that were long lasting (Ancient Judah). Merely seeking a better understanding. Thanks DSE.
     
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    I think it would be plausible for there to be lights on the main road (the great east road i.e. where the footprints go) since it is such a major path. In any case I think it make logical and aesthetic sense even if it is unrealistic.
     
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    Doubt there would be lights along uninhabited sections, like the Great East Road. But lamp posts on the streets of Bree?
    Candle lanterns would be really easy to make and maintain, i don't see why you would need to invest a large amount of money, or hold slaves to have some street lights.
     
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    well if someone would pay me in Turtle points i would do it
    Edit: Speedy points will do as well
     
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    Perhaps you are correct and it may not take all that much work. I wouldn't call myself an expert on non-electric street lighting:p
     
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    There is some lore about lamps in bree in the LotR. When Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin came to Bree the West-gate of Bree was not well lighted by steady laterns:
    The main road is also very dark, whereas in front of the Prancing Pony there was a latern:
    I think most historic medieval towns were very dark at night for the reasons @DSESGH stated above. I believe area-wide lighted streets exist since the early 19th century. The first gas lambs were installed in London around 1800 AD.

    I would suggest to place lamps only at major places like in front of the Prancing Pony, where a wealthy man like Butterbur is willing to pay for oil for all the night.
     
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    Romans had candle lighting in front of most of their houses as early as 500 AD.
     
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    I think it was mainly a point of usefulness rather than maintenance or cost issues. Agricultural communities like Bree and the Shire go straight to sleep when the sun sets. So why bother having much lighting at night.
     
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    So perhaps only Gondorian cities...they seem to be the furthest ahead in terms of technology.
     
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    Quite a lot of the Gondorian cities DO have street lighting.
     
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    Oh yeah, I guess the thread was a suggestion for the other cities as well.....
     
  14. TheSpeedy_

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    Well, not necessarily a suggestion, more of an observation. While might it might not be lore/time appropriate for it to be dark, as mentioned earlier, outdoor lighting is more aesthetically pleasing. So I was merely inquiring into the historical/lore purposes.