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Valar and Maiar

Discussion in 'Discussions' started by Eaglz24, Feb 25, 2015.

  1. Eaglz24

    Eaglz24 Dirt Conaisseur
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    So I had an idea the other day, that will probably not even be considered, but i'm gonna say it anyway.
    I was reading the Silmarillion again and somehow an idea came to my mind about the Valar and their helpers ( kinda ) the Maiar. And how we can kinda do something like that. Since we have our Designers ( Valar ) and out Artists ( The Maiar ) I thought it would be cool if we had like a name in front kinda like this:

    We are going to use our well known friend Swaglordbob here,

    Right now its:

    Artist Swaglordbob
    Designer Swaglordbob

    Maybe we could change it to:

    Maiar Swaglordbob
    Valar Swaglordbob

    Or:

    {Artist} Maiar Swaglordbob or Maiar {Artist} Swaglordbob
    {Designer} Valar Swaglordbob or Valar {Designer} Swaglordbob

    There are some examples of what I was thinking. There some issues I have thought of as well such as:
    - Too long of a name
    - Might be a bit confusing for people who haven't read the Silmarillion
    There might be a lot more but those are just some of the simple ones.

    I think it would make a lot of sense to add it, and would bring something unique rather than boring old
    Artist Swaglordbob / Designer Swaglordbob. We don't have very many Silmarillion ( If any ) features on mcme, and would definitely be cool if it was added.

    Idk, this was just a random idea that came to me, let me know what you guys think, thanks

    -Ulmo_ ( Former known as Eaglz )
     
  2. Finrod_Amandil

    Finrod_Amandil Head Designer
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    We had a discussion among staff once when the rank changes happened (i think that was before you joined) and I brought up a few "lore-accurate" rank namings:

    REFERENCE: Todays ranks:
    Oathbreaker
    Adventurer
    Guide
    Artist
    Designer
    Enforcer
    Head Designer & Head Enforcer
    Eru Ilúvatar

    LORE VARIANTS:
    Oathbreaker: Thats okay and I wouldnt change it as this one is clearly comprehensible
    Adventurer: This is awesome like that, supported by the often heard "I'm going on an adventure!" quote aswell as one of the main expected actions of people with that rank.
    Ranger: Rangers if the North, people who know their way around the map.
    Artist: I dont know if this term ever appears in Tolkiens writing, but one speaks often of "Elvish arts" and a person doing those art is an Artist.
    Jewelsmith: In Tolkiens writings Arts seem to take in a fairly small importance and thus its hard to find a race-neutral term that is in the lore and covers all activities of Build Mods. . .
    Guard (Ex-Enforcer/Bounder), reference to the Guards of the Citadel, the elite-soldiers of Gondor that protect MT's 7th level
    Vala
    Eru Ilúvatar
    ------------------------------------
    A bit more bold list using the races of Middle-Earth:

    Orc, or with a nice matching double meaning: Troll
    Hobbit
    Dúnadan (pl. Dúnedain)
    Dwarf
    Elf

    Istar (pl. Istari)
    Vala (pl. Valar)
    Eru Ilúvatar
    -----------------------

    Or:
    Oathbreaker

    Adventurer
    Ranger
    Artist
    Maia (pl. Maiar)
    Istar (pl. Istari)
    Vala (pl. Valar)
    Eru Ilúvatar

    However the reason why in the end we sticked to non-lore ranks was, as you said, to respect people that arent so steadfast in the lore and thus having rank names that are self-explaining.
     
  3. Portalrules333

    Portalrules333 Yellow flower puncher

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    Also, I really don't think that Designers and Artists are high up enough to represent demigods.
     
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  4. JordD04

    JordD04 One of Us
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    Certainly not Artist.
    "Builders are members with privileges" -Ryanturambar
    Builder meaning the old word for Artist and Member being the old word for adventurer.
     
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  5. Will_em

    Will_em One of Us

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    Plus, would you know what the maiar rank represents just by looking at it?
    Artist, designer, enforcer, guide, they are all names where you can figure out their tasks pretty easily if you use some logic. That's the power behind those rank names.
    Just wanted to mention that.
     
  6. Eaglz24

    Eaglz24 Dirt Conaisseur
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    Yeah, that makes sense thanks :D
     
  7. Portalrules333

    Portalrules333 Yellow flower puncher

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    Agreed, lore accuracy can only go so far.
     
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