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The Expeditious Eradication of The MCME Chat Censor

greencaver

Moria Hall Professional
Supporter
Commoner
Introduction

Friends of MCME, today, I would like to expose the significant impediments and issues produced by the server’s new chat censorship plugin. This addition to the server’s moderation toolkit has only brought harm to the beloved community of MCME. Indubitably, the interactions between server members and the first impressions of new players are negatively influenced by the censor, despite its attempts to turn the server into a safe, family-friendly environment.


Section 1: Downsides of Chat Censorship

Article I - Freedom of expression
The power and impact of certain words are often determined by the circumstances of their use and the ferocity of the words themselves. When people are restricted from exploring different, yet more engaging, ways of generating conversation, their words become boring, repetitive, and unenthusiastic. For this reason, people often utilize expletives to accentuate language that might otherwise inadequately convey their intended intensity of emotion. The ability to express emotion is much more limited in a text chat than it is in a face-to-face conversation, due to the absence of body language and voice volume. The censorship of swear words in chat further regulates one’s articulation, which results in repetitious and monotonous interactions. This issue has unequivocally damaged the dialogue between players on MCME. Furthermore, when veteran members return for a nostalgic taste of the polychromatic and luscious community that they poured their heart into years ago, they are completely flabbergasted by this major change in accepted chat protocol. Additionally, players who have remained dedicated to the server over the past several years find such a sudden and disruptive change to be absolutely repulsive.

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Article II - Hindrance of server progress
The negative effects of the chat censor range beyond connections between players. Server progress is diminished to a great extent. Firstly, the obstruction of expression, as described in Article I, harms the quality of enjoyment that builders can experience whilst collaborating on various projects. Reduced levity for designers, foremen, and artists gives precedence to a lack of motivation. Thus, server progress suffers. Secondly, designers often employ vulgar tactics as a means of encouraging their workers. Without this extra push from project leads, plots remain unfinished, jobs remain unplanned, and the player count dwindles. Additionally, the lack of freedom in chat pushes players to type in discord text chats rather than on the actual Minecraft server, which leads to a growth in the discord community rather than an increase in players who are actually interested in playing on the server. Is this really what Management would like to encourage? Often, new players are drawn into the MCME community through discussions that occur in serverchat, but, when fewer people talk in this chat, these adventurers are oblivious to an integral component of MCME’s success, the community. The plethora of diverse perspectives, experiences, and opinions of the people who actively peruse the builds and events that the server has to offer are what ultimately attract and retain players. Many new players, empowered by the effervescent people of MCME, proceed to become builders or, seldom, guides, and continue to contribute towards the server’s main goal. However, without proper server activity and sociability within chat, the number of new artist applicants will decline, and the project will die before reaching completion.

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Section 2: Rebuttal of Pro-Censor Arguments

Article I - Insufficient moderation capability
While the censor blocks most curse words, one can avoid the censor with astonishing ease. A player wanting to bypass the censor can do so by adding a space, period, underscore, or any other character between the letters of an outlawed word. Moreover, players who wish to use a blocked word will do so whether there’s a censor or not, especially when the censor is lacking in effectiveness. This eliminates the argument that the censor reduces Moderator responsibility, because they have to stay diligent in punishing those who purposefully bypass the censor. Surprisingly, there have been zero instances in which moderators have dissuaded players from circumventing the censor. If there’s going to be a censor, shouldn’t the blockage of certain words be enforced such that players can’t type them in any way, shape, or form? If that’s not the case, there is no logical reason to have such a low quality censor in the first place. Another problem with the chat censor is that its selection of banned words has been deemed unorthodox by several players. For example, it blocks the word “racist”, but not “homophobic”. It prevents players from typing the word “kill”, but it couldn’t care less if “slaughter”, “massacre”, “eliminate”, or “terminate” were uttered in chat. These discrepancies transform the censor from a somewhat reasonable addition into a complete laughingstock. The players of MCME find it ridiculous that the word “kill” should be blocked on a server that has PvP and that aims to recreate a world in which wars routinely take the lives of thousands. Furthermore, profanity is only blocked when it’s in English, so curse words in other languages are not detected. Shockingly, some English words aren’t blocked in specific circumstances, as shown by the example below.

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The failures of the current chat censor are apparent. In fact, unpalatable speculations may emanate from the censoring of the word “kill”, and people can be easily misunderstood. For example, if someone says “Come try to kill me in the arena”, their sentence will be transformed into “Come try to **** me in the arena”, which could be interpreted to mean something completely different. Similarly, when someone types, “Wow! You’re great at PvP! A natural born killer.” The censor turns their sentence into “Wow! You’re great at PvP! A natural born ****er,” which can lead to numerous incorrect assumptions about what that person is trying to say.

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Article II - Moderators not benefited by censor
Due to several of the censorship errors that were described in Article I, the amount of chat perusal required from the server moderators has not reduced with the addition of this chat expurgation. The innumerable methods by which players can outwit the sanitation of server confabulation makes it necessary for moderators to scrupulously survey interactions between players as a means of ensuring that the precious censor remains adhered to. Such effort greatly contradicts the supposed primary benefit of the censor: reduced demand for moderator attention. That being said, moderator activity has not changed in lieu of this addition, which leads one to presume that a circumnavigation of the censor is neither reprimandable nor discouraged. Why is a censor necessary if there are no repercussions for evading it? Even if punishments were inflicted for such transgressions, the censor’s substandard abilities would give rise to greater responsibility for the moderators of MCME.

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Article III - Age of Tolkien fans
While there would be many benefits from censoring foul language in a server designed for children, the downsides of the censor are much more potent than the benefits of said censor in a setting where the vast majority of people are old enough to handle a few bad words. MCME falls within this particularization, because one can easily deduce that a minuscule number of juveniles join the network. Tolkien’s works are constructed at a high level of comprehension, and the movie adaptations of his novels portray a multitude of violent events unbefitting of younger audiences. MCME should not pander towards the needs of an audience that purportedly composes less than 1% of the Tolkien fandom, especially when such actions resultantly wound a majority of MCME associates.


Article IV - Problem with censor improvement
Hypothetically, the censor could be optional, turned on and off with a command. However, the amount of work required to implement such a feature would be staggering, and it would pull from much more important developmental needs. Since any work done to the censor would only benefit an insignificant portion of the player base, it is likely that other projects should be prioritized. Thus, the foremost option at this moment is to undergo a complete removal of the censor from the server.

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Section 3: The Lack of Transparency From Management

Article I - Notifying the community
This post has covered a series of concerns relating to the MCME chat censor. However, it is prudent that the fundamental issue with the censor receives proper divulgence. For undisclosed reasons, MCME Management failed to inform the community about the possibility of a new component of the server that would suppress the words of its members and limit their ability to communicate. Such a sizable update to the server deserves adequate contemplation from the entire active player base. These players are the ones who endure the ramifications of any change within MCME. Thus, the implementation of the chat censor, without regard for the opinion of the community, portrays an image of MCME Management that is disrespectful, cynical, and tyrannical. Management would do well to share future ideas with the people of MCME before imposing such ludicrous incorporations as the chat censor.


Conclusion
The MCME chat censor effectuates a series of issues that deface the pulchritudinous world of Minecraft Middle Earth. It forcefully limits creative expression and damages project advancement, ultimately mistreating the precious members of MCME. A myriad of complications plague the efficacy of the censor, so more problems come from it than solutions. This, consequently, supports the claim that the censor does not strengthen the server. Accordingly, the community will be most displeased if Management fails to recognize and act upon the undeniable truths presented within this post. I encourage everyone to respond to this post with your opinion on the chat censor.

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#futureofmcme
 
Far too long has the server gone without being graced by one of Greencaver's immaculate suggestions, and on the forums no less.

Greencaver does actually bring up some good points here and has good proof others believe them aswell. I think the one that speaks loudest is how swearing was not really an issue before hand, yes people would swear but it wouldn't be too much and it was often not used in a derogatory manner. They were simply using a "swear" word to further express themselves. While there are issues with slurs and other stronger swear words I think that having the chat censor exist to block those would be best. Block any and all slurs but leave words like kill out of it.

Furthermore, this was a change that affected the entire community and unless I am mistaken (Please correct me if I am) this was not discussed with the wider community and was a staff only decision. I think before implementing something that affects literally everybody on the server it should at least be brought up. I think if this were to happen a majority would agree with the fact that a chat censor is good just this one affects too many words and should be made more lenient.

The last point of his I will go over is the age of Tolkien fans, while it can be said that his works are geared towards older people we are a Minecraft server, we cater a lot more to the younger crowd and while I do think it is still a minority there are many more young people here. However, and this connects back to the first point, most people didn't swear in chat and if they did it would probably be Local chat most of the time. We didn't really have people going around saying "fuck" in every sentence, yes it would be dropped here and there but it wasn't a big problem. So even if younger people were on the server they were likely to go the whole time without seeing a stronger swear word. The words they would see however like "shit", "ass" or whatever else isn't that bad and is encountered everywhere on the internet. We might be a MC server but we are also apart of the internet, people can find much worse stuff on Youtube comments or Instagram and they dont need strong censors that blur our these common words.

All in all while it is a good idea to have a censor I think the overall implementation of this was poor resulting in too many words being censored that shouldn't have been.

I Larry881a, at one point the most active MCME artist and senior team member compared to Wieldablemars0 and FoxySeamus endorse this message.

#futureofmcme
 
Yes indeed, as Larry so aptly underlined it, it has been far too long since the last greencaver masterpiece. And it could not come at a more pressing time.

I believe this issue could have existential repercussions on server population and retention in the long term if not addressed. I know I for one cannot function adequately in game with one of my primary modes of communication so completely neutered. As is hinted at above I don't know how I can motivate a project like great mines again under present circumstances. Without flavor in the game what would motivate a new player to stick around? Anecdotally I don't believe I would have stayed around if such a measure was in place. This server already has such pressing issues to confront in the theatre of retention and new player attraction that this on top of all the rest really is a death knell.

It seems like the mods have kind of pawned off responsibility onto this bot with little for-thought, or it was imposed on them in like terms. Since words such as kill and racist et alii are not equally banned and enforced across different mediums of the MCME network it leaves ambiguity in the rules, which I know is a persistent problem leftover from "The Imperative MCME Moderation Revamp®".

Also as it seems Larry did not know when writing this, staff had no insight into the implementation of such a seismic change into the server's culture and it has been imposed on us like all of you and only learned about it upon implementation.

Further I've heard that this was added at the behest of the official McList. If that's true is it really worth giving up our servers soul to be featured on a list and pull the rug out from under players who have been here forever and those players who might have been around just as long.

I've always heard that MCME is as much a community server as it is a build server especially during the days of soarz and such. Let's listen to the community on this one and repeal this plugin which is so detrimental to free expression and socialization.

#libertas
#futureofmcme
 
Posts like this obscure some probable valid points with floods of unnecessary jargon, waffle and ultimately defeat the purpose of making the post in the first place.

All you needed to say was: "the censor seems to include some stuff it maybe shouldn't, and probably needs to include some other things that aren't currently included. Here are examples of stuff that maybe shouldn't be included..."

The idea that a chat censor hinders server progress is laughable and absurd. Oh no, I can't type profanity whilst building the Dagorlad, what am I going to do?
Grow up.

Saying young people are 1% of Tolkien fans is just blatant rubbish. Stop making up statistics to justify your frankly poorly constructed argument, it's malpractice that'll get you fired in future by anyone with a shred of self-respect. In 2023 (most recent community survey), 26.5% of respondents were aged 14-16. So approx 1/4 of our players were young fairly young. In 2022, 5% were under age 13, and 30% were aged 14-16. So your stat of 1% isn't even a good falsification. A sizable proportion of MCME users are children.

MCME should be accessible to all, particularly kids, without them seeing profanity. Us being friendly, helpful and approachable is what actually promotes the positive community atmosphere that people actually like. Yes banter is fine, but if there's very little profanity in chat now, meaning you yourselves clearly don't use such profanity in chat, then I don't really see why it's an issue having an updated censor that filters more appropriately. It just ensures trolls are filtered out.
 
Overcatering to noobs and boning the old people though. Freedom of speech is an inalienable right and we have mods for literally this reason, why have the rank if we have the censor?

This absolutely is affecting progress, we coulda started goblin town a month ago but I have no motivation to play with this shit ass plugin tbh.
 
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This absolutely is affecting progress, we coulda started goblin town a month ago but I have no motivation to play with this shit ass plugin tbh.
It feels like you are just lazy, not demotivated...
 
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At present, a poll regarding the removal of censorship from the chat is underway on Discord, with the current results standing at an emphatic 21 votes in favor and none against. The significance of this result lies not merely in the number of votes, but in the striking unanimity it represents. A 21 to 0 outcome is both statistically rare and symbolically potent—it reflects not just a majority, but an unchallenged consensus. Such cohesion lends substantial weight to the mandate, affirming the community’s collective will with exceptional clarity and authority.
 
If anything this discussion demonstrates the lack of creativity and actually limited vocabulary the complainers posses. You are here all complaining it restricts the manner in which you express yourselves, instead of figuring out ways to circumnavigate the censor and exploring the wide breath of human language to find new ways of verbalizing your opinions, feelings and thoughts that go beyond the rather basic expressions the censor prohibits.

Hard limits stimulate creativity, because they clearly stipulate a few things you can't do, while leaving room for a whole sepctrum of things you are allowed to do and explore.
 
I've challenged the "consensus" here on this very forum post. So it's clearly not unchallenged is it? Basing "community feeling" off a poll hidden in the bowels of the suggestions channel that a lot of people don't bother looking at, and then claiming it is somehow representative is what I would call "statistical quicksand". If you want an actual representative view: you need to poll the community properly and put questions like that on a community survey that go to everyone and ensure they have the full picture. I finally found the poll in question, and notice it doesn't seem so unchallenged anymore.

As I've been told on multiple occasions: MCME is not a democracy. Probably partially because democracy does not actually reflect whether people actually know what they're talking about or not. Perhaps it would be wise for those of you less experienced in actually safeguarding young people (which I would guess is the purpose of the censor) to take advantage of those with the experience in the matter. At the risk of sounding like an old fart: I've been doing it longer than some of you have been alive.
 
Its always nice to see interaction on Greencaver's suggestions as most of the time they unfortunately go unnoticed or are just ignored. I have to admit, Stephen dropping the stats was a good play. However it is not enough.



I would like to start this post off by talking about Stephen's counter argument of saying the post has too much jargon. I disagree, Greencaver adds more to his posts, not just because he wants to, but because these additions actually help his argument. He uses genuine community interactions and feelings as evidence for his cause, he sets out all of his major points and he provides the reasons he believes this, and believes that others share his view. When writing something like this is it not best to add the most you can? To show that it is grounded in reality and not just some other nothing burger slop post. (Which to be honest most of the suggestions on here are).

Next, with the topic of the age of our community members. I said in my first post that there are a fair amount of young people here, because we are a Minecraft server. Stephen brings up that 27% are 13-16 so likely ~30% are under 16 lets say.

However I also said that we exist as a community on the internet, this is important to note because these same people can find anything on the internet. These people browse their Youtube, Reddit, Instagram, etc. And To be honest I'm willing to bet that most of these 30% see more profanity anywhere else than they would on our server. I'm also willing to say that if a little kid sees someone say "shit" on our server they are not going to burst into tears. If they do, is the issue really the chat, or is it a failure of modern society and whatever else they saw online to teach resilience?

With these younger generations being online more and more, they are going to see profanity. Hell, from 13-16 I'm willing to bet most of them swear themselves. From personal experience, throughout my Highschool days I was in our "Link" crew that worked to help incoming grade 9's (first year students) integrate into Highschool life. Nearly all of these people I heard swear sometime during my interactions with them. These of course were the youngest people in our school, starting Grade 9 at 14. From what I have also experienced online, people in this age range are usually tolerant to, or indulge in the use of profanity. Now for those under 14, I don't know about anyone else but everyone I know has been swearing since 6th, or 7th grade (11-12+) Anyone under these ages are far less likely to be on the server and probably wont even read chat, and if they do they wont care about seeing profanity.

I would also like to add that we aren't really exposing them to profanity, we are merely providing them a safe, welcoming space in which to read words like "Shit, or Fuck" in Minecraft font...
Now I know that was a lot for that bit, but I believe that is the largest counter point to removing the censor and realistically the only real counter argument.

Now I move onto Rudo's response.

If anything this discussion demonstrates the lack of creativity and actually limited vocabulary the complainers posses.
If anything this response demonstrates the lack of creativity that you have in formulating a valid counter argument that does not include insulting the other party.

Thanks for your time.

#futureofmcme
 
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