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That depends, the Wikis are more accessible and it's often easier to find specific pieces of Information. If I wanted to find the name of the Fortress established in Doriath by Thingol, I can just search online rather than having the read/skim the chapter.
Is it not "Harfoots" as opposed to "Harefoots"? It is spelt "Harfoots" in the Fellowship of the Ring, Book I. And in the section on The Shire you spell it "Harfoots":JordD04 said:Main Groups: Harefoots, Stoors, and Fallohides
JordD04 said:Founders: Marcho and Blanco (Hobbits - Harfoots)
Thx, thought I missed all of those. Also, when did you download it? Because "Main Groups: Harefoots, Stoors, and Fallohides" was fixed a while back.In the Hobbits section at the start:
Is it not "Harfoots" as opposed to "Harefoots"? It is spelt "Harfoots" in the Fellowship of the Ring, Book I. And in the section on The Shire you spell it "Harfoots":
Are you sure Tolkien wasn't referring to the Realm of Khand? It's just east of Mordor.By the way, Tolkein mentioned that at the time of T3A, there were many human slaves in Mordor, so maybe add Mordor as one of the places where men dwell?
Apoligies.No, he was not about the slaves. I reread several chapters stating this. Khand itself chose willingly to follow sauron. They were slaves in the region of Mordor called Nurnen.
I said this, when I wrote "Sub-topics" I thought of it to be lesser known, or similar kinds of one of the creatures he listed. (e.g. Druadan to men, Huorns to Ents.)Druadan wild-men were men .
I have stuff planned for the future, I'm only sticking to the basic most important stuff right now but I'm spreading out. I intend on doing a version that's just on the different creatures and one on Ainur too.Are you sure Tolkien wasn't referring to the Realm of Khand? It's just east of Mordor.
And jord, any possibility of adding a "Realms" section to your guide? You could have realms that were destroyed/abandoned with a * next to them.
As well, you could add "half trolls", "snow trolls" (Helm hammerhand is compared to one of thoses during the long winter, doesn't mean that they are real, but would be cool if added)
Also, weren't Marcho and Blanco Fallohides (please correct me if I am wrong)
And would their be any way to maybe add an "sub-species" group? For examples such as Druadan and Huorns.
Edit: Maybe also have a "Key Characters" section.
Edit: Maybe also a Valar and Maiar section, as they are important figures in Arda as a whole.
Not to sound like a critic or anything, really love the guides!
I'm aware that Quenya became pretty rare in Middle-Earth in the Third-Age but it is still spoken to some extent and it's almost certainly still used in Valinor.Okay... I hope you did not excpect me to be completely silent about another Noobs Guide, even more when its about elvish
Generally for this edition I would use a slightly different format for the overviews, A short (1-2 sentences) description of each term would make much more sense than the bullish listing of the same attributes for all languages, or also to give some specific additional information e.g. "In the Third Age in Middle-Earth Quenya was only used rarely for ceremonial purposes while for the everyday speek Sindarin was used."
I would focus on the TA languages only, everything else does nothing else than bring up complete confusion. Also I would replace the "Place of origin" with where it was spoken.
Some punctual corrections (sometimes debatable, ik)
Also I would (if available) place one or two famous quotes in the respective language.
- The places of origin of Avarin and Eldarin are basically whole Middle-Earth; they progressively evolved during the Great March of the Elves and diverged with the forming of the different groups of elves during that journey
- Eldarin and Avarin are kinda complementary terms, so it would be better to also use the terms Calaquendi and complementary to that Moriquendi (i'd also explain such terms; Light-elves and Dark-elves)
- The Ñoldorin/Noldorin/Quenya/Quendya/Vanyarin stuff is a bit hard to clearly specify, the easiest explanation is that Quenya (spoken by the Noldor and Vanyar when they arrived Valinor) can be separated into Ñoldorin and Vanyarin, each of them just being the dialect of the respective elves. On one hand due to that the differences between those two are rather small and on the other Tolkien never wrote much about Vanyarin and Valinor in general the Noldor in Middle Earth are told to just speak Quenya, regardless that theres another dialect around. Thus i'd put the Ñoldorin in brackets and mainly use the term Quenya for the Noldor.
- Telerin has mainly evolved in Beleriand before some of the Teleri went over the sea. In Middle-Earth Telerin diverged into Sindarin (in Beleriand) and Nandorin (Central Middle-Earth, by those elves who went on the Great March but never crossed the Misties). In Valinor however the original Telerin preserved quite well. Even though Quenya and Telerin influenced each other, theres still only Telerin in Valinor, and no Quenya Telerin.
If you plan on making another guide on elvish I would suggest doing an introduction to Sindarin grammar, starting with plural formations. With that topic you can cover many place-names throughout the lore.
- The name of the rune script is Cirth, not Cirith. cirith is Sindarin meaning "cleft" or "pass" as in Cirith Ungol.
- As additional info you could mention on the Cirth that even though this scripture was used by the dwarves as main writing method it was developped by the elves.
- Dunno exactly what you mean with the "runic" attribute; but i guess for the Cirth it should say "yes" instead of no.
- Wanna please place an asterisk (*) on the statement about that vowels are placed on the proceeding consonant* as this is not true for all languages. Sindarin in Ómetehta-Mode aswell as mostly English do it the other way around. Also theres the possibility to write the vowels as full-height characters (as on the Moria West Gate)
- I would highly recommend to divide the pronunciation part into Sindarin and Quenya, as there are many many things that only occur in Sindarin. I'd also divide again into consonants and vowels and generally bring in some order into that list.
cheersAs you asked for a hand, I'll try to classify the pronunciation stuff into Q, S or both. If I make some mistake, let Finrod correct me, I don't know a lot of Sindarin.
C – takes the value of k, never of s. Both
Ch – takes the value of the ch in the Scottish word loch. S (in Q this sound exists in some environments but it's written h)
Dh – represents the voiced th in then. S
F – represents the f in the English fine, expect when used at the end of a word when it takes the value of v, like in the English word of. Both (in Q it's always like fine, but that's because no word can end with f)
G – Is always a hard g, like in get, never like the English word region. Both
H – alone has the value of h in house and behold. Both (except in some environments in Q)
I – in Sindarin, when starting a word or when being followed by another vow, takes the value of the English y. (otherwise like a normal i)
L – is pronounced like the l in the English word let. Except when between e or I and a consonant or after e or I at the end of the word. In this case it is pronounced with the blade of the tongue rather than the tip. Both
Lh – represents an unvoiced, palatalised l. S
Ng – takes the value of ng in finger, except at the end of a word when it takes the value of Ng in sing. Both
Qu – has the sound of kw Q
Ph – has the sound of f in find S
Rh or hr – is voiceless (the first is S and the second Q, although in Q it is pronounced like normal r in the TA)
S – is voicless as in so. Both
Th – has the value of the voiceless th in thin. S
Ty – has the value of the t in British tune. Q
V – takes the value of the English v, not the German Both
w – takes the value of the English w, not the German. Hw is voiceless as in whale. Both
Y – in Quenya, takes the value of y in you. In Sindarin it takes the value of u in the French word lune.
From here onward, it goes for both languages, although not both languages have the same appearence of diphtongs.
I would also add the difference between short and long vowels, and how are these written. Hope that helps ^^